choconougat commented on Unseen Academicals by Terry Pratchett
I'm now slightly worried, because almost all tyranny in the whole Disc series is sorted out by overthrowing the old tyrant and substituting it with a nice, kind new one. I am slightly worried this is not going to last, that without changing the system, it will soon slip back to the old kind of tyranny. But on the other hand, the new one, or some of them, are trying to change the system. Not very fast and not very obviously, but I think ... they are trying to change the system while not allowing power to get out of their own hand. Well not exactly not ... it's ... intricate ... to be more specific ... I wouldn't say Vetinari lets Vimes to take power away from him, but ... he does give Vimes a lot of freedom to do things in Vimes' ways ... but on the other …
I'm now slightly worried, because almost all tyranny in the whole Disc series is sorted out by overthrowing the old tyrant and substituting it with a nice, kind new one. I am slightly worried this is not going to last, that without changing the system, it will soon slip back to the old kind of tyranny. But on the other hand, the new one, or some of them, are trying to change the system. Not very fast and not very obviously, but I think ... they are trying to change the system while not allowing power to get out of their own hand. Well not exactly not ... it's ... intricate ... to be more specific ... I wouldn't say Vetinari lets Vimes to take power away from him, but ... he does give Vimes a lot of freedom to do things in Vimes' ways ... but on the other hand ... he knows what Vimes would do is what he also wants ... he uses Vimes. Sure Vimes sometimes plays Vetinari too, but ... mostly Vetinari still controls how most of things go in the city. But that kind of control ... is only managed by Vetinari among all past Patricians of A-M. With the start of the Guilds and board made by the Guild chairs ... maybe Vetinari can slowly transform A-M from a tyranny to something a little more democratic. (even though I think it is canon that Vetinari detests democracy. He doesn't believe it would work. well maybe one day, Vetinari will be replaced, and A-M people under his rule would have grown up enough to take democracy. I mean ... in Guards Guards they were trying to get back to the monarchy. A-M has quite a long way to go before any democracy lasts.
But it is really ... half admirable half alarming, that frequently quoted Otter story by Vetinari. It's the remaining worry of God complex I got from Hannibal (. But it is what he does, it is what the book is doing. It even continues Hogfather. The nature, and the human beasts, have no sense of morality, fairness, goodness or evil. We make it by making the rules.
To be fair I feel the becoming of Nutt is a little bit ... unstructured. The whole book is a little bit unstructured, maybe I didn't get the connections between the parts between the crowd-unity-belonging and the becoming. I can taste sth like a connection there but I'm not yet very clear. The point is I don't see what makes Nutt change so much. It's a little jump-y. But I am so glad to see Nutt become.
And it is both powerful and sad, how Nutt in the end settled the opposition against him. He shouldn't have had to resort to violence/demonstration/threat of violence. But violence is all they understand! (.